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on high income people, if we raise taxes for the fiscal cliff or for debt ceiling, do you believe the will also raise taxes on middle class. 60% percent of americans understand that once the politicians get the bloodlust out there, once they smell the blood in the water, once they raise taxes on the few, they go after the many. melissa: oh, i absolutely believe that's right but i think that the point is the republicans are losing momentum on the side of not raising taxes. that it is starting to feel more and more like there must be some concession, there must be some caving to get through the fiscal cliff. when you look at senators who have said they're going back on the pledge, lindsey graham, bob corker, tom coburn, lamar alexander, eric cantor, what do you do at this point to keep the fight going? or do you think that it is necessary to concede a little bit of ground? >> well, two things. the senators, the republican senators to a certain extent don't matter because the democratic senate can pass a tax increase if they want the senaaors you mentioned would only vote for a tax incre
on high income people, if we raise taxes for the fiscal cliff or for debt ceiling, do you believe the will also raise taxes on middle class. 60% percent of americans understand that once the politicians get the bloodlust out there, once they smell the blood in the water, once they raise taxes on the few, they go after the many. melissa: oh, i absolutely believe that's right but i think that the point is the republicans are losing momentum on the side of not raising taxes. that it is starting to...
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the land of oz with the person hiding behind the machines to raise taxes now and they violated the fiscal cliff. t want to stand up and provide america the fiscal clef, do you want to go on the national and explain that you are so reactionary and out of touch with life that you don't care that america is going to die late on their state? it's all right if that is the kind of person that you are. you will never be on television because after all, you are clearly weird. [laughter] let me start with the fiscal cliff right here and say there is no fiscal cliff. conservatives and republicans are demoralized. get over it. we did a number of stupid things. they were smarter than we work, work harder than we did, fought longer than we did, did some clever things. ronald reagan, one of the most important single statements is february, 1975 in washington that the conservative political action committee meeting. now, i was part of this. i have no sense of timing. so i picked one. [laughter] ayman georgia. i have a strange accent, a weird name. this was beyond not clever. [laughter] this is light don
the land of oz with the person hiding behind the machines to raise taxes now and they violated the fiscal cliff. t want to stand up and provide america the fiscal clef, do you want to go on the national and explain that you are so reactionary and out of touch with life that you don't care that america is going to die late on their state? it's all right if that is the kind of person that you are. you will never be on television because after all, you are clearly weird. [laughter] let me start...
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all right, stocks closely watching the fiscal cliff talks. coming up, chief investment officer will tell us what will happen if there is a deal where if there is no deal. ashley: michael bloomberg crack a joke the only people buying egos. he could soon become one of those. as it everyday at this time, take a look at how oil is trading moving slightly lower even though the suggestion demand from china is off, oil down slightly by $0.10, 85.83 per barrel. tracy: it is time to make some money with charles payne. this hour he is looking at online networking site linked in. getting a little bounce, but has been on a tear. charles: this is a incredible stock. you put six flights out of business. i'm telling you right now. today part of the reason it is up, kind of odd, some sort of stock speculation mayor bloomberg may be interested in doing something, taking it over. even without that, this is a stock i like a lot. at least the third time this year my subscribers are in a stock. the latter earning report my two cents coby district by 100%, the sto
all right, stocks closely watching the fiscal cliff talks. coming up, chief investment officer will tell us what will happen if there is a deal where if there is no deal. ashley: michael bloomberg crack a joke the only people buying egos. he could soon become one of those. as it everyday at this time, take a look at how oil is trading moving slightly lower even though the suggestion demand from china is off, oil down slightly by $0.10, 85.83 per barrel. tracy: it is time to make some money with...
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a lot of americans to not know a lot about the fiscal cliff. the confidence and a market reaction is very different than the spending cuts and tax increases. here is the fundamental point. i could be wrong, it happened once. why find out? it is irresponsible to govern the country this way. the sequester and across the board cut, it is bat policy. everybody knows it is bad policy. we are very close to doing it. i find the whole situation unsatisfying. host: our phone lines are open and you can also send us an e- mail. you work for a number of members of the democratic party. you work for the president. a question that comes up often is why there is a partisan divide. what has changed over the last 20 or 30 years? guest: we only have an hour so we cannot go through all of that. there are a lot of things. there are some extraordinary changes. politics as a con tact sport is a substantial change from when i worked on the hill. they did not agree on anything, but they enjoy each other's company. i have seen with my own eyes republicans and democrats
a lot of americans to not know a lot about the fiscal cliff. the confidence and a market reaction is very different than the spending cuts and tax increases. here is the fundamental point. i could be wrong, it happened once. why find out? it is irresponsible to govern the country this way. the sequester and across the board cut, it is bat policy. everybody knows it is bad policy. we are very close to doing it. i find the whole situation unsatisfying. host: our phone lines are open and you can...
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. >> stahl: now, as the country approaches the fiscal cliff, a handful of republicans have defied norquist and say they'll consider raising new revues, and 12 newly elected republicans in congress have refused to take the pledge at all. i'm lesley stahl. we'll be back next week with another edition of "60 minutes." captioning funded by cbs and ford-- built for the road ahead. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. so i never missed a beat. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. ♪ oww! ♪ [ male announcer ] careful, you're no longer invisible in a midsize sedan. the volkswagen passat. winner of a motor trend midsize sedan comparison. that's the power of german engineering. get $0 down, $0 due at signing, $0 deposit, and $0 first month's payment on any new volkswagen. visit vwdealer.com today. . . phil: previously on "the amazing race" -- 11 teams began a race around the world -- go! along the way they weric battles. >> go, go, go! phil: frueling challenges. >> they're so h
. >> stahl: now, as the country approaches the fiscal cliff, a handful of republicans have defied norquist and say they'll consider raising new revues, and 12 newly elected republicans in congress have refused to take the pledge at all. i'm lesley stahl. we'll be back next week with another edition of "60 minutes." captioning funded by cbs and ford-- built for the road ahead. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with...
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, spending and the fiscal cliff. republicans want a melt on xwiemtment and tax reform from the president. democrats insist this will not happen until the gop agrees on a tax hike. senator dick durbin saying no deal on the debt without a tax hike of the wealthy. >> i can't tell you, i don't want to do it, the president doesn't want to do it, but we need to solve the problem been we cannot allow the reckless position to drive this economy into another recession. >> some suggesting that it might be better to cave to the president now on taxes and keep up the fight on spending. >> if we were to pass, for instance, raising the top two rate and that's it, all of a sudden we do have the leverage of the debt ceiling and we haven't given that up. >> meantime, one influential voice says enough is enough. >> that's like betting your country. there's something terribly bizarre and juvenile about that is to think your party comes ahead of your country. i don't go for that at all. >> that, of course, was alan simpson, the other ha
, spending and the fiscal cliff. republicans want a melt on xwiemtment and tax reform from the president. democrats insist this will not happen until the gop agrees on a tax hike. senator dick durbin saying no deal on the debt without a tax hike of the wealthy. >> i can't tell you, i don't want to do it, the president doesn't want to do it, but we need to solve the problem been we cannot allow the reckless position to drive this economy into another recession. >> some suggesting...
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. >>> wall street also watching as both sides inch to the fiscal cliff. not only are your taxes in the balance, so are americans' 401(k)s. and today, a holiday bonus, gas prices. we bring in bianna golodryga. the anchor of weekend "gma." you look at gas prices. on a pace to set a record. >> the average american household is expected to spend $4,000 a year on gasoline alone. remember, earlier this year, we saw gas prices at 3.92 a gallon back in april in the summertime. some places in the country, $5 a gallon. today, take a look at this, $3.35 and by christmas time, estimates say we will see $3.20 a gal don. a lot has to do with post sandy. the supply is back up and the hope is that consumers will take the money and spend it shopping. >> that is the hope. and jobs number, better than expected. unemployment now to 7.7%. and bianna, people watching tonight, where are the jobs? >> that is the question. we did some digging and here is what we found. not a surprise. retail up, 53,000 up in, and professional, hospitality and restaurants. hotels and 23,000 and he
. >>> wall street also watching as both sides inch to the fiscal cliff. not only are your taxes in the balance, so are americans' 401(k)s. and today, a holiday bonus, gas prices. we bring in bianna golodryga. the anchor of weekend "gma." you look at gas prices. on a pace to set a record. >> the average american household is expected to spend $4,000 a year on gasoline alone. remember, earlier this year, we saw gas prices at 3.92 a gallon back in april in the summertime....
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from td ameritrade. >>> well, going over the fiscal cliff will trigger huge hikes in the death tax. >> our wealth editor robert frank breaks it down now. >> thanks, bill. the estate tax could go up even more and become a big problem for any kind of cliff deal. let's take a look. the current tax is around 30%. only those worth $5 million or more have to file. if we go off the cliff, it will shoot to 55%. anyone with an estate with $1 million or more will have to file. that will cost many more in the estate tax. many prefer the tax is abolished. obama wants a 45% rate and $3.5 million cutoff. that's midway between today's rates and the old rate. now the problem is even some democrats are siding with republicans. they say they want to keep the current rates. so all sides here remain very far apart. this matters because wealthy families need to rewrite their wills, their charity plans. and for the country there are hundreds of billions of dollars of taxes at stake. it's also a hugely symbolic tax. the left says these estate taxes are important to curb family dynasties. and they also call
from td ameritrade. >>> well, going over the fiscal cliff will trigger huge hikes in the death tax. >> our wealth editor robert frank breaks it down now. >> thanks, bill. the estate tax could go up even more and become a big problem for any kind of cliff deal. let's take a look. the current tax is around 30%. only those worth $5 million or more have to file. if we go off the cliff, it will shoot to 55%. anyone with an estate with $1 million or more will have to file. that...
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do not agree to that is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff. >> oh, absolutely, an agreement doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2%, only 2%, and all of those americans get a tax cut on the first $250,000 of their income. >> well, what if the obama administration lets it happen? what happens to the average american family. joining us here, is congressman randy forbes, nice to have you on the show. >> thank you, governor. >> let me ask you something, do you feel that the president actually wants it to happen so it gives him some political advantage? >> well, governor, i just have to judge that by two things, first of all, what i'm hearing from my colleagues on the democratic leadership side and told me as late as last week, they wanted to go over the fiscal cliff because we've argued all along they'll start by simply taxing everybody above 200,000, but that will continue and this'll lower at that rate and limit and they told me they'd vote for everything that tax everybody above $150,000 and secondly you look at the president as actions. the president
do not agree to that is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff. >> oh, absolutely, an agreement doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2%, only 2%, and all of those americans get a tax cut on the first $250,000 of their income. >> well, what if the obama administration lets it happen? what happens to the average american family. joining us here, is congressman randy forbes, nice to have you on the show. >> thank you, governor. >> let me ask you...
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the reason, well, the fiscal cliff. the current rate is 35%. only those estates worth 5 million or more have to file. if we go off the cliff the rate shoots up to 55%. anyone worth an estate worth $1 million or more has it file. that will catch tens of thousands of tax payers in the net of the estate tax. republicans want it abolished or current rates to be made permanent. obama wants 45% rate and 3.5 million cut off. that mid way between today's rates and old rate. the problem is that even some democrats are siding with republicans saying they want it keep current rates. all the sides here tyler remain very far apart. wealthy families need 20 rewrite their wills and charity plans. for the country, there are hundreds of billions of dollars at stake. under old rates, they raise $532 billion by 2021. obama plan raised around $270 billion, about half. gop raises about $161 billion. the fight over taxing the rich, especially in the estate tax, is far from over. back to you, tyler. >> not the first time the estate tax has come up in these kinds of n
the reason, well, the fiscal cliff. the current rate is 35%. only those estates worth 5 million or more have to file. if we go off the cliff the rate shoots up to 55%. anyone worth an estate worth $1 million or more has it file. that will catch tens of thousands of tax payers in the net of the estate tax. republicans want it abolished or current rates to be made permanent. obama wants 45% rate and 3.5 million cut off. that mid way between today's rates and old rate. the problem is that even...
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if this tax break goes away as part of the so-called fiscal cliff, those homeowners could be taxed on that $95,000 as additional income starting in 2013. >> how much homeowners will owe in taxes on that amount depending on the tax bracket they're in. on average it would be between 20 to $25,000. the banks have an extra incentive to stel short and absorb the loss. under the national mortgage settlement act that went into effect earlier this year, the nation's biggest lenders get a credit for short sales as a form of foreclosure relief. foreclosures sell for $3700 less than homes via short sale. as we near the fiscal cliff you could expect short sales jump more as homeowners look it to aavoid gigt hit with tacks and bankss with foreclosed prormts. if we go over the cliff, the tax bill homeowners face with a short sale may be steep enough to walk away instead, and that would push foreclosure rates higher in 2013. for smart is the new rich, i'm christine romans. americans are always ready to work hard for a better future. since ameriprise financial was founded back in 1894, they've been c
if this tax break goes away as part of the so-called fiscal cliff, those homeowners could be taxed on that $95,000 as additional income starting in 2013. >> how much homeowners will owe in taxes on that amount depending on the tax bracket they're in. on average it would be between 20 to $25,000. the banks have an extra incentive to stel short and absorb the loss. under the national mortgage settlement act that went into effect earlier this year, the nation's biggest lenders get a credit...
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. >> reporter: but now with the post-election budget fight in washington over the fiscal cliff, hudson's business faces a battle on three fronts. all of which are up in the air. defense cuts, tax hikes, employee health-care costs. >> uncertainty kills businesses, because you can't plan. you can't program, you can't forecast. >> reporter: with defense spending on the chopping block, even with congress avoids the fiscal cliff, hudson predicts that 15% slowdown in orders next year. >> it could be june before we start seeing orders and if that's true, i will end up laying off people. >> reporter: hudson is also concerned about taxes. because it's profits are treated as income, that puts them over $250,000 a year. the level where president obama wants taxes to go up. >> i'm supposedly a rich guy? i don't think so! i think we ought to pay our share. but that could have a significant impact to the point that i may have to lay off one or two more people. >> reporter: the financial impact of the affordable health care act is also a question mark as the plan slowly phases in. >> i believe in famil
. >> reporter: but now with the post-election budget fight in washington over the fiscal cliff, hudson's business faces a battle on three fronts. all of which are up in the air. defense cuts, tax hikes, employee health-care costs. >> uncertainty kills businesses, because you can't plan. you can't program, you can't forecast. >> reporter: with defense spending on the chopping block, even with congress avoids the fiscal cliff, hudson predicts that 15% slowdown in orders next...
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cliff? joining us, david, great to have you with us. >> thank you. >> hold on, thelma. hold on louise. can will markets handle it? >> i think we can handle it. it seems to me that washington has a way of doing business and washington will continue to change the way -- or continue to do business the way they have always done it. where is us and wall street, we have to change the way we do business. >> so you don't see a big crash in markets as a fall off the cliff. >> no. i see opportunities for people who are less patient. no, i see it all going down. >> where are your clients moving their money? what are you advising them to do, whether we get a deal or not? are there two completely different strategies? >> there is various things on a similar attitude. big is not always good. i think what we are doing is consolidating and moving towards a smaller environment. i think we have smaller investors who can deliver returns. >> what do you mean by that? types of funtds they are investing in. >> th
cliff? joining us, david, great to have you with us. >> thank you. >> hold on, thelma. hold on louise. can will markets handle it? >> i think we can handle it. it seems to me that washington has a way of doing business and washington will continue to change the way -- or continue to do business the way they have always done it. where is us and wall street, we have to change the way we do business. >> so you don't see a big crash in markets as a fall off the cliff....
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and he's insisted that it become part of the fiscal cliff negotiations. even though it is a political long shot, he has sort of backing from grover norquist on this who is saying it would be okay to enact carbon tax if we were talking about lowering rates elsewhere. stuart: grover says that? carbon tax okay if you lower tax rates on income? sandra: he's firmly against the carbon tax. he said, however, if they were willing to lower rates across the board in many other ways, he would be willing to discuss it. yes, he did make that point. stuart: okay. sandra: however what i don't like about this is al gore using a tragic situation hurricane sandy as an opportunistic -- stuart: he's not the only one. mayor bloomberg and governor cuomo said the same thing. harry reid said this. i take your point, but go. >> we can sit here and debate this. we don't have conclusive evidence either way. but the bottom line is he wants the government to come in and say we're going to harm small businesses here, we're going to impose the taxes, overregulate, do all the things tha
and he's insisted that it become part of the fiscal cliff negotiations. even though it is a political long shot, he has sort of backing from grover norquist on this who is saying it would be okay to enact carbon tax if we were talking about lowering rates elsewhere. stuart: grover says that? carbon tax okay if you lower tax rates on income? sandra: he's firmly against the carbon tax. he said, however, if they were willing to lower rates across the board in many other ways, he would be willing...
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it's less a fiscal cliff than it is a slide or an incline plane or whatever. but i think that, you know, soon after the 1st, if we haven't done it by then when all the tax rates go and all the changes happen, we get serious and something happens, and i think speaker boehner will be part of it. that's why i'm generally optimistic within the next month if not within the next few weeks. >> i hope so. senator sherrod brown, thank you so much. nice to have you here, your wife as well. >>> coming up next, david shweikert is among a handful of conservatives demanding an explanation after being removed from their committee assignments. he'll join us next right here on "morning joe." meet the 5-passenger ford c-max hybrid. when you're carrying a lot of weight, c-max has a nice little trait, you see, c-max helps you load your freight, with its foot-activated lift gate. but that's not all you'll see, cause c-max also beats prius v, with better mpg. say hi to the all-new 47 combined mpg c-max hybrid. to the best vacation sp(all) the gulf! it doesn't matter which of our gr
it's less a fiscal cliff than it is a slide or an incline plane or whatever. but i think that, you know, soon after the 1st, if we haven't done it by then when all the tax rates go and all the changes happen, we get serious and something happens, and i think speaker boehner will be part of it. that's why i'm generally optimistic within the next month if not within the next few weeks. >> i hope so. senator sherrod brown, thank you so much. nice to have you here, your wife as well....